G8: Violent protest in Germany

The governments say they’re dealing with climate change. The voting public suspect they’re not.

Is violence the only language that governments understand? Is this the point when they sit up and take notice? Or should those that see protest as a legitimate method of getting their message across simply be waving flags and blowing kisses back at those in power?

Your call.

The fuse has been lit.

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22 Responses to G8: Violent protest in Germany

  1. madmouser says:

    Lions, tigers and bears, Oh my…Me thinks this is another Pandora’s box and the lid is off. Maybe we will see some real revolutions across the globe before long. Film at 11.

  2. earthpal says:

    Hey Matt.

    Well I can’t bring myself to condone violence but I can understand the frustration of the protesters, especially in light of the recent attempts to suppress the anti-G8 movement by the German officials.

    I can’t imagine that this violence will help their cause but I feel a growing sense of frustration at these world leaders and something’s probably going to blow sooner or later.

  3. emalyse says:

    Sadly violent protest is a last resort at the extreme end of pressure group politics. Woolly utopians like myself would hope that more intelligent means would get the message across (no real idea what though). I suppose that violent protest is a bit more media friendly. Shame really.

  4. Pete Smith says:

    If governments behaved intelligently, intelligent protest would be appropriate. Since they are generally stupid, selfish, blinkered, corrupt and unimaginative, they deserve all they get.

    And this sort of aggressive protest does seem to get results in the short term, but you need to keep the pressure on.

  5. timethief says:

    Bush and Harper’s tiresome tactics aimed at upholding the oil based economies of their nations are transparent but, I do not support violent protest.

  6. matt says:

    How long before Islamists & Environmentalists join up for a spot of networking? Snap, crackle, pop. Isn’t there a common enemy here?

  7. Pete Smith says:

    It might be expedient for them to become fellow travellers for a while, like Gaddafi and the IRA, or Hitler and Stalin.

  8. Stephan says:

    Matt & Pete, what are you saying! I think you have both lost the plot on this one.
    As for the violent protest at the G8, they have almost always accompanied these meetings, nothing new, no new insight, no new revolution, just mindless extremists looking for a fight and getting those with a serious message to convey tarred with the same brush. We shouldn’t give them the oxygen of publicity.

  9. Pete Smith says:

    “… nothing new, no new insight, no new revolution, just mindless extremists looking for a fight… ”

    Hmmmm, now who does that remind me of? 😎

  10. matt says:

    Dunno! Gizza clue.

  11. Stephan says:

    Too Blairite for you? Or should that now be Brownite:)

  12. matt says:

    Tell me who’s listening to your serious message Stephan (that has any real power to achieve significant change).

  13. It seems that what we’re looking at is what Lenin would have referred to as ‘infantile leftism’. These are people who are, rightfully, extremely pissed off at a global system that is indefensible. We, as a species, are in deep trouble and the global political/economic order is largely to blame. While we wouldn’t prescribe the tactics that some of the protesters in Germany seem to be using, we, as progressive lefists, should stand in solidarity with them.

  14. matt says:

    > We, as a species, are in deep trouble and the global political/economic order is largely to blame.

    Yes, it’s a mess of our own making and many people are looking for direction on how that mess might at least begin to be undone.

    The search for that leader has begun (and no it ain’t Al Gore!).

  15. Pete Smith says:

    “… nothing new, no new insight, no new revolution, just mindless extremists looking for a fight… ”
    Hmmmm, now who does that remind me of?
    ” Dunno! Gizza clue ”

    It’s the job description for the post of Leader of The Free World. Mind you, the way civil liberties are being scrapped the population of the Free World should soon fit into a B&B in Broadstairs.

  16. keithsc says:

    Do the protesters have any common agreement but to denounce what is going on? I don’t see any common demands arising from them and that seems to me their greatest weakness. It’s easy to oppose something but much harder to propose. And I think that is why the violence isn’t going to make any impact on the Conference. It might even push some of the leaders to oppose measures that many of the protesters might support even if only in a lukewarm way.

  17. matt says:

    Arh Keith, the art of revolution.

    See the comment by Roberspierre’s Dookie above. If you click on his (?) name the link cunningly takes you to a little Wikipedia ditti about the French revolution.

    Revolutions always involve violence but, successful ones have a brilliant (if not slightly egostitical and mad leader) heading the surge and eventually the negotiating team (if indeed that element of a revolution isn’t by-passed, e.g. Romania).

    A complicated business revolution, especially under current conditions of a world without borders, what some call globalisation. But then, that’s what communication technology is for ain’t it?!

  18. matt says:

    …. and anyway, the protesters, the leaders and the general public have ‘common demands’ encapsulated in the work done by mainly European governments on climate change with ‘targeted emissions reductions’.

    Bushy boy just won’t play ball. As we know he likes violence. That’s all he understands.

  19. Pete Smith says:

    Any revolution worthy of the name needs its hotheads, to play good cop/bad cop so that the people making the considered demands appear reasonable. I don’t think many of the guys who stormed the Winter Palace in 1917 ended up in the Dumas.

  20. matt says:

    Exactly. IRA/Sinn Fein for example. And now they’re all sitting around a table together sipping tea with the Unionists. Who said violence doesn’t work. 😉

  21. the Grit says:

    Hi all,

    Whatever happened to streaking? It was more effective, more intellectual, and much more fun?

    the Grit

  22. matt says:

    Grit, you naughty, naughty boy.

    How do you like to take your streakers? Upside down or on top?

    🙂

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